from PBS
Amna Nawaz:
So you have seen a number of videos circulating online, some even frame-by-frame analyses by different news outlets. I'm just curious, what stands out to you from what you have seen?
Gil Kerlikowske:
Well, the fact that they took him to the ground.
And he is resisting. But you would think that, with the number of agents that they had, they would be able to get his hands behind his back and get him secured and get him handcuffed. And it reminded you of kind of a football scrum, where they were all at different angles. So I didn't see them doing a particularly good job of securing him and getting him in custody.
Amna Nawaz:
Based on what you know about what happened before that interaction, what should have agents done in that case, in those circumstances?
Gil Kerlikowske:
Well, I think what they don't do and what they should be doing is that when they're confronted with somebody who is attempting to interfere or attempting to obstruct, they should tell that person we're arresting you.
This use of chemical munitions, just bringing out pepper spray, et cetera, just makes little sense. Police officers deal with these things all the time and they make a physical arrest. And that actually then deters some other people from getting involved or obstructing.
But, remember, this is a group of people, the Border Patrol in particular, who are completely untrained and unskilled for policing an urban environment...
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